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Letter from GEORGE PERKINS MARSH to CHARLES ELIOT NORTON, dated January 16, 1865.

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Title: Letter from GEORGE PERKINS MARSH to CHARLES ELIOT NORTON, dated January 16, 1865.


  • Marsh, George Perkins, 1801-1882


  • Norton, Charles Eliot

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Letter from GEORGE PERKINS MARSH to CHARLES ELIOT NORTON, dated January 16, 1865., Original located at the University of Vermont's Special Collections in the George Perkins Marsh Collection, filed by date., (accessed January 16, 2018)

Letter from GEORGE PERKINS MARSH to CHARLES ELIOT NORTON, dated January 16, 1865.

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Turin Jany 16 1865

Dear Sir

I am much obliged to you for yours of Dec 29' which I have just received. I hoped to have had an article ready for the N. A. Review some time since, but causes which I could not control have prevented me from finishing it, though it was begun early in September. The subject is substantially: The want of a national (spoken) language considered as an obstacle to the political unification of the Italian provinces. I have been much embarrassed thus far by the strict prohibition to write on the political affairs of foreign countries, but by omitting half of what I have written, and supplying some thing else, I hope ere long to get an article in a condition for the press.

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I am much encouraged by your cheerful views of the political prospect of our country. I have had so many taunting questions put to me which I could not answer, and have been so much perplexed by the seeming backslidings and tergiversation of the government, and its apparent desire to relieve the symptoms, without removing the cause, of our political ailments, that I have often almost despaired of the republic. But I hope a firmer policy will be found after all, to have lain behind the show of vacillation, and that the extinction of slavery will be avowed as the first and the last of the means to be employed to crush the rebellion, and take away the motive for a future renewal of a similar crime.

As to England, I do not think the American people will ever give up the question of indemnity for the wrongs which, during this war, we have suffered from British hate and British love of plunder. I hope -------------------------------- Page -------------------------------- we may not need to resort to force, but if we do not, in some way, exact satisfaction, we shall lose all the respect we now enjoy from any European government, that is, the respect which is founded on a salutary fear. Every day convinces me more and more, that our institutions are regarded with the intensest detestation by every European hierarchy and aristocracy, and that our only mode of securing right from any State on this side of the Atlantic is to show that we can and will exact redress of every national wrong. My own opinion is that as soon as the rebellion is quelled, British sycophancy will be as ostentatiously manifested as British malignity now is, and that ample indemnity for the past and ample security for the future will be promptly given.

I should look upon any great calamity to the British people as an irreparable evil to the cause of humanity and civil liberty, but I am by no means clear that a radical revolution in England would damage anybody but the ecclesiastical -------------------------------- Page -------------------------------- and lay aristocracy, whose interests are not, I think, to be weighed against those of the larger masses. The influence of England on the Continent, inspiriting and encouraging as is the example of the British people, is regarded by every French, German, and Italian liberalist known to me, as hostile to the progress of freedom everywhere out of British territory, and if the day of trial comes, as come it must, England will be found to have no friends, unless she repairs our good will by an honest reparation of the enormous mischiefs which the hostility and bad faith of the British government has encouraged its subjects to do to us.

I do not know much of England from personal observation, but most of my English friends admit a fearful and rapidly increasing demoralisation of the nation, especially among the governing classes, which seems to need another Cromwell and another Milton for its reformation.

I have been so long on term of friendship with Mr Ticknor, and have always cherished so high a regard for him, that it is painful to me to differ so widely from him -------------------------------- Page -------------------------------- as I fear I do on the political questions which most interest us as Americans. From Mr Winthrop, to whom I formerly looked with much hope of good and great things, I have for several years ceased to expect any further aid to the cause of our common country. As a political man by practice and training, and with such antecedents, he could not have taken the ground he did in the election of 1856 without having undergone a radical change of both feeling and political principle, which disqualified him for further usefulness in public affairs. No man in New England possessed so great an influence as he then enjoyed, no man had personally a greater stake in the triumph of the good cause, no man has thrown away so brilliant opportunities of rendering splendid services and reaping a splendid reward, as Mr Winthrop. He has lost the respect of his old political friends, irrecoverably, and has not even won the poor compensation of the confidence of his new associates--I had almost said accomplices, for one cannot well speak of Wood and Seymour and Vallandigham and the like without using terms which imply -------------------------------- Page -------------------------------- an imputation of crime.

I have been much delighted with the numbers of the N.A. Review issued under the new editorship, and I know no periodical in our language which is entitled to rank above it. I am quite discouraged as to further attempts at bookmaking, and I know no channel through which I shall more willingly utter the few things which probably remain for me to say than through its columns.

You will find nothing of interest in my despatches. The relations between France and Italy are of a character that will not admit of public criticism by an American diplomate, and the same thing is true of the policy of the two last, and I am sorry to be compelled to add, of the present ministry. I have, therefore, made confidential everything I have written worth reading. But in spite of wretched misgovernment, and of growing demoralisation in some -------------------------------- Page -------------------------------- quarters and some directions, there is an increasing material well being in Italy, which is strikingly manifested in the decreased mendicancy--e.g. in three visits to the cathedral square at Pisa, of all places in the world, not long since, I saw but one beggar-- and besides, education is rapidly spreading among the lower, and, what is more surprising, even among the higher classes

Foolish and malignant old Pio's late encyclical produced at first no effect in Italy. "We knew all that before," people said; but since they perceive that it's occasioning a scompiglio in France, the contrecoup seems to be rousing the liberal Italians to a perception of the advantages they may derive from this granting of Mr Browning's prayer: More madness Lord!

The Florentines were quite wild with joy when they heard of the new French trap which their 'great and good friend' -------------------------------- Page -------------------------------- had baited for his loving allies, but they are now pretty well sobered down, and I think the wisest of them wish they had been spared the honor which is vouchsafed to them.

I expect to go to the U.S. in April. I have no reason to suppose that Mr L. means to make general changes in the diplomatic service, but should not be in the least surprised to find that such was his purpose. At any rate, I do not think it safe to take a house at Florence--I have still on my hands a year's lease of one at Turin--until I return, if return I do, after a visit to America.

The government is to be transferred early in May, and when it leaves Piedmont, the dynasty of Savoy slips the cable of its sheet anchor; for Piedmont does not, will not, forgive the injury, still less the insult, she has suffered from hands which ought, at least, moliter manus imposuit, as the lawyers say.

Begging you to accept for yourself & Mrs North the best new years wishes of Mrs Marsh, & my own.

I am, dear sir, truly yours

George P. MarshC E Norton Esq.

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